Comments on: WordCamp US & Ecosystem Thinking https://ma.tt/2024/09/ecosystem-thinking/ Unlucky in Cards Wed, 12 Mar 2025 04:26:50 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9-alpha-60134 By: WordPress Could See Just One Major Release Per Year Under New Proposal - The Repository https://ma.tt/2024/09/ecosystem-thinking/#comment-603888 Wed, 12 Mar 2025 04:26:50 +0000 https://ma.tt/?p=125868#comment-603888 […] September, Awesome Motive CEO Syed Balkhi shared his support for Mullenweg’s Ecosystem Thinking, writing, ““I believe that symbiotic mutualistic contributions are crucial for a healthy […]

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By: Patchstack rejected as WordCamp Europe 2025 sponsor, CEO calls it "insulting" - The Repository https://ma.tt/2024/09/ecosystem-thinking/#comment-601557 Thu, 09 Jan 2025 12:07:55 +0000 https://ma.tt/?p=125868#comment-601557 […] Mullenweg criticized WP Engine’s apparent lack of contributions to WordPress in his post WordCamp US & Ecosystem Thinking last […]

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By: Toby Cryns https://ma.tt/2024/09/ecosystem-thinking/#comment-599398 Mon, 23 Sep 2024 19:35:05 +0000 https://ma.tt/?p=125868#comment-599398 Thanks, Courtney for sharing that link to https://make.wordpress.org/project/2024/09/12/wordpress-contribution-health-dashboards-an-experiment/.

As I look through the Five For the Future pledges (and the Contribution Health Dashboards), I wonder: Has there been any effort to quantify whether or not companies are fulfilling their pledge promises?

For example, has anyone tried to quantify the hours delivered vs. pledged hours in terms of activity on wp.org/svn/some other metrics? If we’re going to say “This is a good contributor. This is a bad contributor.” it would be good to reference some actual data.

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By: Andrew Palmer https://ma.tt/2024/09/ecosystem-thinking/#comment-599311 Fri, 20 Sep 2024 15:36:59 +0000 https://ma.tt/?p=125868#comment-599311 Why don’t we encourage all freemium plugins, themes and patterns that use the dot org for distribution, to add an affiliate link into the products. When someone does upgrade to a paid plan – The cash can be distributed to contributors, foundation, WPCS or even – dare I say it – an independent organisation to openly disclose, how much cash came in, what went out and where it went. I think that would generate a marketing budget, go towards funding the massive hosting and upkeep of the repository and allow free plugins to also grow through more visitors being encouraged to download from the repository. There are affiliate links on the hosting recommendations, why not in the repository?

It’s always flummoxed me that WordPress the project, relies on a begging bowl system to keep it all going. Imagine, all the pressure for Automattic and a few other companies of supporting the project being taken away. Such freedom, right?

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By: Matt Mullenweg’s Ecosystem Thinking for Open Source Success  – WP Tavern https://ma.tt/2024/09/ecosystem-thinking/#comment-599303 Thu, 19 Sep 2024 19:12:56 +0000 https://ma.tt/?p=125868#comment-599303 […] introduced the concept of “Ecosystem Thinking,”  a philosophy that drives successful collaborative […]

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By: Dave Loodts https://ma.tt/2024/09/ecosystem-thinking/#comment-599297 Thu, 19 Sep 2024 06:46:21 +0000 https://ma.tt/?p=125868#comment-599297 In reply to Matt.

Like that idea of a badge. Only the group that comes to WordCamps/Meetups and read (english) WordPress post is a tiny fraction of the WP user base. The wild idea i had was to bring that deserved attention to a place where “every” WP user will see it; that’s the dashboard. (in a subtle way) Think of a credit system that companies can use to target countries. I know, too wild of an idea. Anyway, impactful contributors must be more proud on their work and shout if out on their website. If that’s with an “official” badge; even better.

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By: Courtney Robertson https://ma.tt/2024/09/ecosystem-thinking/#comment-599295 Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:05:04 +0000 https://ma.tt/?p=125868#comment-599295 In reply to Dave Loodts.

This area will start to help break down those granular details.

https://make.wordpress.org/project/2024/09/12/wordpress-contribution-health-dashboards-an-experiment/

There are also a slew of details that we hope later to credit but are not yet able to be parsed. For example, GoDaddy empowered me to work on WCUS Contributor Day. I have spent months of work time on leading up to yesterday. The data here shows nothing of that, yet.

I hope to get a roadmap of the milestones organized in a few weeks, highlighting would be needed to expand upon this.

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By: Aditya https://ma.tt/2024/09/ecosystem-thinking/#comment-599294 Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:57:15 +0000 https://ma.tt/?p=125868#comment-599294 Thanks for writing this. I really like the idea of the infinite loop of Learn, Evolve, Teach, Nourish.

I do worry about the commons and sometimes a lack of deeper hive thinking about not just what an open source project needs but also its norms, etiquettes and culture.

For me an open knowledge systems (open web) is more important than open-source, and similarly open source more important than WordPress.

At this point of time in my life, WordPress just feels like a large enough canvass and really powerful vehicle for spreading the influence of not just using the commons but also producing it.

I came across this book a couple of months ago called “Knowledge as Commons” by Prabir Purkayasta – (https://www.google.com/search?q=Knowlege+as+Commons+Prabir+Purkayasta) and it resonated a lot with me as a person from the global south. While a lot of the writing is more along the lines of open licensing around medicines, GM agriculture tech, vaccines, hardware and of course software.

The main thread that came across was that the only way to safeguard against the “Tragedy of Commons” or insurance against only extraction based entities would be to not just increase the users of a technology / commons but also increase and encourage them to be the producers of technology / commons.

The systems within our systems that encourage this user to producer will be a great achievement.

Thanks for writing this, it is reassuring (not that I had concerns) to hear your thoughts on the WordPress ecosystem and especially the FernGully example.

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By: Matt https://ma.tt/2024/09/ecosystem-thinking/#comment-599292 Wed, 18 Sep 2024 13:07:30 +0000 https://ma.tt/?p=125868#comment-599292 In reply to Dave Loodts.

I think we need to make it a lot more prominent, like a badge like TrustPilot, and then educate consumers through WordCamps and our press to look for those companies. Basically community marketing. It’s easier than normal marketing because it’s appealing to a higher ideal.

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By: Syed Balkhi https://ma.tt/2024/09/ecosystem-thinking/#comment-599288 Wed, 18 Sep 2024 10:36:56 +0000 https://ma.tt/?p=125868#comment-599288 Thank you Matt for sharing this. Didn’t know about the Meta license restrictions indeed very weird.

I appreciate your leadership and encouragement for everyone to participate in contributing. This is critical for a healthy ecosystem. Also really liked how clearly you outlined the 4 parts.

Looking forward to seeing you at WCUS.

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By: Dave Loodts https://ma.tt/2024/09/ecosystem-thinking/#comment-599287 Wed, 18 Sep 2024 08:04:58 +0000 https://ma.tt/?p=125868#comment-599287 All fine to ask us voting with our wallet. But how can a not-inside-the-community WordPress user know which company does impactful contributions? The 5FTF page of WordPress.org? Well; that link is hidden in the footer and probably the majority on non-community users doesn’t even visit wordpress.org.

Even the mentioned companies in your blog post are not mentioning their contributions very open on their websites. Only 10up. And Bluehost mentioned it on their homepage (“recommended by”). I like that. The thing is: WP doesn’t offer any (well known) program or label that those contributors can use to create that attention. If that was the case, maybe the “others” will move.

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